I may be a little late on this as the interview was posted in October of last year Not sure Doug should have done this interview, but he certainly held his own. Funny how the very things that would turns one person off probably draws another into the conversation. It is kind of painful.
"We don’t say ‘turn or burn’ but we believe it" is the tagline at the end of second segment.
and then part II of you want more . . .
If this does not exemplify the fundamental differences between modern and postmodern manifestation of the church, not sure what does.