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# BRC & Friends: Sheila M. Beckford and E. Michelle Ledder
- URL: https://www.reyes-chow.com/brc-and-friends-sheila-m-beckford/
- Published: 2023-12-29T19:22:26.000Z
- Updated: 2025-02-27T04:26:20.000Z
- Description: Doing Anti-Racist Business: Dislodging and Dismantling Racism with the 4reals
- Author: Bruce Reyes-Chow

And with this post, the BRC & Friends 2023 season has ended. See you all next year when we will sit down with even more amazing humans! Please be sure to subscribe [**wherever you get podcasts for your ears**](https://brc-friends.captivate.fm/listen?ref=reyes-chow.com).

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On today's Episode of BRC and Friends, Bruce sits down with Sheila M. Beckford and E. Michelle Ledder Co-Authors of the 4Reals series, “Anti-Racism 4reals: Real Talk with Real Strategies in Real Time for Real Change” and “Doing Anti-Racist Business: Dislodging and Dismantling Racism with the 4reals”. Not only do we talk about how their process of moving organizations to be antiracist is different than the approach of DEI, but they also talk about their very funny origin story, parents dancing on TikTok, and so much more. They obviously had a great time, and you will too!

Thanks for being here. Grab a beverage, pull up a chair, and enjoy listening to the conversation with Sheila M. Beckford and E. Michelle Ledder.

Listen here or [subscribe wherever you get podcasts for tour earholes.](https://brc-friends.captivate.fm/listen?ref=reyes-chow.com)

### **JUST BUY THEIR BOOKS ALREADY**

[*Doing Anti-Racist Business: Dislodging and Dismantling Racism with the 4reals*](https://bookshop.org/a/82176/9780827206816?ref=reyes-chow.com)

[*Anti-Racism 4reals: Real Talk with Real Strategies in Real Time for Real Change*](https://bookshop.org/a/82176/9780827201026?ref=reyes-chow.com)

### **CONNECT WITH SHEILA**

[*Sheila on Instagram*](https://www.instagram.com/sheila.beckford/?ref=reyes-chow.com)

### **CONNECT WITH MICHELLE**

[*Michelle on Instagram*](https://www.instagram.com/emichelleledder/?ref=reyes-chow.com)

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