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# E69 Bruce chats with Sheila M. Beckford and E. Michelle Ledder
- URL: https://www.reyes-chow.com/e69-bruce-chats-with-sheila-m-beckford-8fe/
- Published: 2023-12-15T17:00:00.000Z
- Updated: 2023-12-15T17:00:00.000Z
- Author: Bruce Reyes-Chow
- Tags: podcast episodes

On today's Episode of BRC and Friends, Bruce sits down with Sheila M. Beckford and E. Michelle Ledder Co-Authors of the 4Reals series, “Anti-Racism 4reals: Real Talk with Real Strategies in Real Time for Real Change” and “Doing Anti-Racist Business: Dislodging and Dismantling Racism with the 4reals”. Not only do we talk about how their process of moving organizations to be antiracist is different than the approach of DEI, but they also talk about their very funny origin story, parents dancing on TikTok, and so much more. They obviously had a great time, and you will too!

Thanks for being here. Grab a beverage, pull up a chair, and enjoy listening to the conversation with Sheila M. Beckford and E. Michelle Ledder.

### JUST BUY THEIR BOOKS ALREADY

Doing Anti-Racist Business: Dislodging and Dismantling Racism with the 4reals

[https://bookshop.org/a/82176/9780827206816](https://bookshop.org/a/82176/9780827206816?ref=reyes-chow.com)

Anti-Racism 4reals: Real Talk with Real Strategies in Real Time for Real Change

[https://bookshop.org/a/82176/9780827201026](https://bookshop.org/a/82176/9780827201026?ref=reyes-chow.com)

### CONNECT WITH SHEILA

Sheila on Instagram

[https://www.instagram.com/sheila.beckford/](https://www.instagram.com/sheila.beckford/?ref=reyes-chow.com)

### CONNECT WITH MICHELLE

Michelle on Instagram

[https://www.instagram.com/emichelleledder/](https://www.instagram.com/emichelleledder/?ref=reyes-chow.com)

### LISTEN TO BRC & FRIENDS

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Co-Host, Jorge Bautista on Instagram

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Theme Music by Merissa Magdael-Lauron

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